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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196799693" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196799693">(May 07 2020 at 16:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>hi</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800014" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800014">(May 07 2020 at 16:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>what's the agenda for today btw? I've been "having a few thoughts"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800069" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800069">(May 07 2020 at 17:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>(pertaining esp. to domain wgs)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800143" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800143">(May 07 2020 at 17:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hello everyone,</p>
<p>It's time for the <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="2317">@WG-governance</span>  meeting! React/Reply with <span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span> to indicate your attendance.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800190" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800190">(May 07 2020 at 17:01)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="2317">@WG-governance</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800206" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800206">(May 07 2020 at 17:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll get that right eventually.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800276" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800276">(May 07 2020 at 17:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>In terms of agenda, there's only really followup.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800427" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800427">(May 07 2020 at 17:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>We could definitely use this time to have a discussion on domain wgs, or the MCP/Pre-RFC topics.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800484" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800484">(May 07 2020 at 17:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>One of the other things that has been happening is some work around prioritization</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800532" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800532">(May 07 2020 at 17:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g., in the lang team, we started looking at what our upcoming initiatives should be, and i'm trying to focus an effort like this in compiler team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800566" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800566">(May 07 2020 at 17:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>Are you referring to the prioritization WG specifically or project wide prioritization?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800571" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800571">(May 07 2020 at 17:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I raise it because, in doing it, I had thoughts about the role of working groups or other structures</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800585" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800585">(May 07 2020 at 17:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>lol, so many priorities</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800609" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800609">(May 07 2020 at 17:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm sort of referring to neither of those things, but more the latter</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800717" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800717">(May 07 2020 at 17:04)</a>:</h4>
<p><a class="stream-topic" data-stream-id="213817" href="/#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/prioritization">#t-lang &gt; prioritization</a> is the t-lang topic, but the key document is <a href="https://hackmd.io/Czx3MwkpQeiC2_e9XI8OIw" title="https://hackmd.io/Czx3MwkpQeiC2_e9XI8OIw">this hackmd</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800725" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800725">(May 07 2020 at 17:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>still very much a draft</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800765" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800765">(May 07 2020 at 17:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway I don't want to go too deep-- should we maybe agree to spend N minutes though on domain wgs recap?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800833" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800833">(May 07 2020 at 17:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>I believe <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="249394">@Val Grimm</span> didn't get to it in time for this meeting.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196800980" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196800980">(May 07 2020 at 17:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>So we could defer that, unless someone has something specific about it they want to mention.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801032" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801032">(May 07 2020 at 17:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>The only followup I have is the Project Group RFC has finished FCP.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801033" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801033">(May 07 2020 at 17:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's fine, the main thing I wanted to mention is that --in looking at that lang team list -- I see some things, like "error handling"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801063" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801063">(May 07 2020 at 17:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>that have the following interesting characteristics:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801110" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801110">(May 07 2020 at 17:07)</a>:</h4>
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<li>they are cross-cutting, involving a coordinated story across multiple teams</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801135" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801135">(May 07 2020 at 17:07)</a>:</h4>
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<li>they probably involve a number of independent changes and improvements, i.e., multiple RFCs</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801162" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801162">(May 07 2020 at 17:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>this might just be a "project group"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801210" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801210">(May 07 2020 at 17:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it also seems to look a lot to me like a domain working group</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801275" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801275">(May 07 2020 at 17:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't know, I keep getting a bit frustrated because there seem to be a need for a few different sorts of structures -- or maybe they're variations on a single structure, or maybe they can just be informal</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801323" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801323">(May 07 2020 at 17:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I feel like the idea of 'commisioning' an effort to address some area/big-problem is a decent one</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801337" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801337">(May 07 2020 at 17:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>That is interesting. I guess this sort of brings up "what is the end-goal of a WG?" that is unclear right now.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801396" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801396">(May 07 2020 at 17:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think where domain working groups have maybe gone astray is a bit the "bottom up" part of it, it seems like they should really represent "priority areas for Rust", and perhaps also the longevity side of it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801415" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801415">(May 07 2020 at 17:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., it's not clear when they are 'done'</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801477" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801477">(May 07 2020 at 17:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>error handling might be one that has a done state</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801582" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801582">(May 07 2020 at 17:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>mostly I wanted to raise this because I think in the past there's been a definite sense of "maybe we should just not have domain WGs", I know i've thought it from time to time, and it may be true, but I think there's a useful need to handle these "cross-cutting" sort of things, and it's worth thinking about how they're modeled</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801626" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801626">(May 07 2020 at 17:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I think this group itself fits in that category of course :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801631" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801631">(May 07 2020 at 17:11)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>error handling might be one that has a done state</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Does it? I'm don't mean that in a snarky way, but genuinely how do you define done in that case?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801672" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801672">(May 07 2020 at 17:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801707" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801707">(May 07 2020 at 17:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think in that case there could be a set of problems to be addressed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801807" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801807">(May 07 2020 at 17:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g., done is when there is a document that defines best-practices for how error handling should work and a set of lang features that enable it, such taht the following is true</p>
<ul>
<li>there is a "best practice" to accumulate errors from multiple crates</li>
<li>there is a syntactically convenient way to propagate errors</li>
<li>...</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801838" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801838">(May 07 2020 at 17:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>it ain't super easy but I at least have a sense of a "set of features" that constitute a scope, and I suspect they could be turned into a kind of set of problems to attack</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801862" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801862">(May 07 2020 at 17:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>(even if some of those features wound up not being accepted, hopefully the problem is still resolvedin some way, or we decide it's not so bad)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801926" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801926">(May 07 2020 at 17:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>one could plausibly do a similar thing  for async</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801944" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801944">(May 07 2020 at 17:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>(but it seems somewhat harder to me)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801988" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801988">(May 07 2020 at 17:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>it might be a good exercise for <em>this</em> group, of course, to try and enumerate the problems we're aiming to tackle</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196801994" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196801994">(May 07 2020 at 17:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>(evergreen)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802005" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802005">(May 07 2020 at 17:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like a project group is one that would have a "done" state</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802035" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802035">(May 07 2020 at 17:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>while a working group would not have a "done" state - it is meant to persist as the language changes and grows</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802041" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802041">(May 07 2020 at 17:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, this has been my sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802064" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802064">(May 07 2020 at 17:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>and it's precisely why we introduced the term 'project group'</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802268" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802268">(May 07 2020 at 17:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>so maybe the answer is that 'error handling is a project group' -- and maybe "async foundations" should be recast in that vein?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802283" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802283">(May 07 2020 at 17:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>(if we could enumerate some goals)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802364" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802364">(May 07 2020 at 17:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>one thing I have found a real need for is a group that sticks around to handle particular kinds of tasks -- e.g., the 'priotiziation working group' in compiler or triage wg in release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802427" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802427">(May 07 2020 at 17:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>(though that could even be considered a "subteam"...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802430" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802430">(May 07 2020 at 17:16)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>mostly I wanted to raise this because I think in the past there's been a definite sense of "maybe we should just not have domain WGs"</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I've also been thinking about that. Not that we shouldn't have cross-cutting groups but I feel that current iteration has been more about bringing in new groups and members, rather than bringing together teams.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802486" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802486">(May 07 2020 at 17:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>current iteration of domain WGs?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802495" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802495">(May 07 2020 at 17:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802575" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802575">(May 07 2020 at 17:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wonder</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802630" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802630">(May 07 2020 at 17:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>meh, nm. I was going to say "maybe we should try to have some reps attend this meeting to chat"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802641" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802641">(May 07 2020 at 17:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I feel like maybe we need a bit more of an..agenda?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802650" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802650">(May 07 2020 at 17:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>Agreed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802669" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802669">(May 07 2020 at 17:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, that feels like something we should plan for, if not the next meeting, then the meeting after.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802696" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802696">(May 07 2020 at 17:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>It may be good to propose definitions for working groups/project groups and then get the feedback of reps</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802713" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802713">(May 07 2020 at 17:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>that way it gives us a starting point</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802731" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802731">(May 07 2020 at 17:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>we can certainly iterate on those definitions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802759" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802759">(May 07 2020 at 17:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I have found in order to get the most engaged feedback, there needs to be some sort of starting point.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802769" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802769">(May 07 2020 at 17:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the "indefinite" vs "definite" distinction is solid, but I think perhaps more than a definition, we should be talking about</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802780" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802780">(May 07 2020 at 17:19)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>what is the role we expect them to play</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802784" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802784">(May 07 2020 at 17:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Sometimes the best way to get people to engage meaningfully on something is to give them something to object to)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802795" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802795">(May 07 2020 at 17:20)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>how do they interact with teams</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802880" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> BatmanAoD (Kyle Strand) <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802880">(May 07 2020 at 17:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hm, here's an alternate, narrower distinction:</p>
<ul>
<li>Project groups have a clear roadmap with a small set of known outputs (e.g. language features)</li>
<li>Domain groups have known _goals_, but these don't correspond to known _features_. So the error-handling goals you listed above, Niko, would fall more in this category.</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802900" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802900">(May 07 2020 at 17:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>interesting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802958" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> BatmanAoD (Kyle Strand) <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802958">(May 07 2020 at 17:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>(sorry, got a phone call in the middle of typing that so  I'm responding to something a page or so up)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802964" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802964">(May 07 2020 at 17:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>How about as part of <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="249394">@Val Grimm</span>'s email to the WG reps we also invite them to a meeting? so that will give us people's thoughts ahead of the meeting that we can build agenda ahead of time.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196802995" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196802995">(May 07 2020 at 17:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like we should not give ourselves a deadline</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803013" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803013">(May 07 2020 at 17:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well, maybe we sohuld, but I'm not necessarily ready to commit to meeting it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803021" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803021">(May 07 2020 at 17:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>if others want to that's good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803072" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803072">(May 07 2020 at 17:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., if the idea is to have a starting point before ...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803119" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Manish Goregaokar <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803119">(May 07 2020 at 17:22)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> i think we should not have arbitrary new domain WGs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803155" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Manish Goregaokar <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803155">(May 07 2020 at 17:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>like, no application procedure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803171" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803171">(May 07 2020 at 17:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I agree with that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803191" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Manish Goregaokar <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803191">(May 07 2020 at 17:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>i also think a lot of team concerns can be cross cutting, error handling as a libs team project group would work</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803258" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803258">(May 07 2020 at 17:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it matters a bit more than that perhaps</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803265" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803265">(May 07 2020 at 17:23)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Well, maybe we sohuld, but I'm not necessarily ready to commit to meeting it</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Heh, that's fine. I could commit to it, but I'm also in no particular rush to get it done asap.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803278" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803278">(May 07 2020 at 17:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I thnk it's worth stating up front like "lang changes are in scope, let's have some lang team liaison"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803369" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803369">(May 07 2020 at 17:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I feel like maybe it's good to outline all the different "sorts of groups" one could have. I definitely think having too many names will just confuse people too :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803379" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803379">(May 07 2020 at 17:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me says the guy who loves to make new names</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803439" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Manish Goregaokar <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803439">(May 07 2020 at 17:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803492" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803492">(May 07 2020 at 17:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I started <a href="https://hackmd.io/jHsV3MfSTVS6lEi6p6vhGg" title="https://hackmd.io/jHsV3MfSTVS6lEi6p6vhGg">jotting things here</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803549" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803549">(May 07 2020 at 17:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, I think having teams more actively participating is something that is missing in working groups.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196803800" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196803800">(May 07 2020 at 17:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Because on WG side they can often feel  like they don't know who to escalate their change request to, having liaisons would remedy some of that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804001" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804001">(May 07 2020 at 17:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>One side note I've found for the async area</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804042" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804042">(May 07 2020 at 17:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>there is a lot of work involved there, ranging from compiler team polish, to libs/lang design, to exploring and learning about applications, to documentation etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804057" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804057">(May 07 2020 at 17:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>and it's harder to mix those concerns than you might think :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804187" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804187">(May 07 2020 at 17:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>you wind up with de-facto "subgroups", for sure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804295" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804295">(May 07 2020 at 17:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway, I guess I am feeling this itchy feeling like "should we determine some concrete next step" -- I think we were going to reach out to the existing domain wg leads again? is that still the "next step"?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804493" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804493">(May 07 2020 at 17:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the next step is reaching out to the WG leads</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804508" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804508">(May 07 2020 at 17:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>but we also should decide what we want to say in that outreach</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804551" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804551">(May 07 2020 at 17:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>what  kind of feedback/ideas are we looking for from them?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804562" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804562">(May 07 2020 at 17:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I made a draft of that I thought?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804568" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804568">(May 07 2020 at 17:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>sweet!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804580" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804580">(May 07 2020 at 17:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>the questionnaire etc?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804591" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804591">(May 07 2020 at 17:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>or should I add more?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804592" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804592">(May 07 2020 at 17:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we should still reach out, but maybe should also try to define what "we"/"the rust org" wants out of a domain WG?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804593" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804593">(May 07 2020 at 17:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>let's talk about that draft :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804643" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804643">(May 07 2020 at 17:33)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="219696">XAMPPRocky</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07/near/196804592" title="#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07/near/196804592">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I think we should still reach out, but maybe should also try to define what "we"/"the rust org" wants out of a domain WG?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>ah ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804667" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804667">(May 07 2020 at 17:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>What I think I'm hearing - we "the rust org" want a domain working group to be a long lasting, cross functional group with liasons that various teams can reach out to</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804717" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Manish Goregaokar <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804717">(May 07 2020 at 17:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, and, specifically, for team priorities</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804722" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804722">(May 07 2020 at 17:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>does that sound correct?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804747" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Manish Goregaokar <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804747">(May 07 2020 at 17:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>like, there should not be an application process imo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804817" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Manish Goregaokar <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804817">(May 07 2020 at 17:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>if you want a WG it's up to you to convince teams that it's a cross functional thing that needs one, and the teams can convince core</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804840" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804840">(May 07 2020 at 17:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>sounds good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804847" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804847">(May 07 2020 at 17:35)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="249394">@Val Grimm</span> is the draft available in hackmd or paper or something?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804862" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804862">(May 07 2020 at 17:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>its here in Zulip</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804870" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804870">(May 07 2020 at 17:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>folks commented on it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804876" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804876">(May 07 2020 at 17:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Agreed - but for a general definition (without getting into the process of creating one just yet) - does "a long lasting, cross functional group with liasons that various teams can reach out to" work?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804877" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804877">(May 07 2020 at 17:35)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/domain.20working.20group.20followup/near/196103938" title="#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/domain.20working.20group.20followup/near/196103938">https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/domain.20working.20group.20followup/near/196103938</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804893" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804893">(May 07 2020 at 17:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>thank you!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196804971" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196804971">(May 07 2020 at 17:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can put it in Hack.md for editing if that would help, I imagine that would, or paste it here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805001" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805001">(May 07 2020 at 17:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>that draft looks good to me, with the suggestions in the Zulip thread incorporated</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805008" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805008">(May 07 2020 at 17:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think a doc would be better</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805021" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805021">(May 07 2020 at 17:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mostly wnated to be able to see what is the 'updated version' etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805053" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805053">(May 07 2020 at 17:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>(dropbox paper is good for its comment system, in my experience)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805108" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805108">(May 07 2020 at 17:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, I've not used that but I can set it up if one can do that for free.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805119" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805119">(May 07 2020 at 17:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>you need a dropbox account</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805122" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805122">(May 07 2020 at 17:37)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>a long lasting, cross functional group with liasons that various teams can reach out to</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Agree, at least as a broad overview</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805125" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805125">(May 07 2020 at 17:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>And I'm glad I was slow and hadn't already sent it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805129" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805129">(May 07 2020 at 17:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>but that is free</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805136" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805136">(May 07 2020 at 17:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah darn</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805145" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805145">(May 07 2020 at 17:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>but hackmd is fine too :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805298" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805298">(May 07 2020 at 17:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah ok, I can set up an account, I'll do that after this meeting*</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805327" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805327">(May 07 2020 at 17:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the answer is <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="249394">@Val Grimm</span> feel free to put it in whatever platform you are most comfortable with - whether dropbox papers or hackmd</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805361" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805361">(May 07 2020 at 17:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or google...though we don't tend to use that as much)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805387" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805387">(May 07 2020 at 17:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll put it somewhere ans share URL in domain working group ffollowup</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805437" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805437">(May 07 2020 at 17:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sounds like we have a general definition of a working group and a next step - does that seem correct to everyone else?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805484" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805484">(May 07 2020 at 17:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>So to backup a little bit, I also agree with cutting the application process, it hasn't really worked great so far.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805504" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805504">(May 07 2020 at 17:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805616" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805616">(May 07 2020 at 17:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>PS, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="132040">@Manish Goregaokar</span>, speaking of the act of creating a group or what have you-- I am reminded of how, in the <a href="https://hackmd.io/vtE1YgufTU-q_u-NOXqW8A" title="https://hackmd.io/vtE1YgufTU-q_u-NOXqW8A">proposed lang-team procedure</a>, the first step to making an RFC <em>isn't</em>..well..make an RFC, it's to create a "proposal" (which we may opt to select and pursue). I sort of feel this should be how all teams work, and I wonder then if "making a domain working group" (or whatever) is just another RFC -- i.e., it's a kind of proposal you make to core team, which team may opt to pursue (or not).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805665" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805665">(May 07 2020 at 17:41)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="225192">@Nell Shamrell-Harrington</span> What's the next step? Reaching out? I think maybe we should try to make a fleshed out definition of WG.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805757" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805757">(May 07 2020 at 17:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm fine with either of those - just trying to drive us to a decision on the "next step"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805769" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805769">(May 07 2020 at 17:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>Do we want to include our definition of a domain WG in the message?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805777" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805777">(May 07 2020 at 17:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>next step in my mind is send message</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805787" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805787">(May 07 2020 at 17:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>and do it before the next meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805788" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805788">(May 07 2020 at 17:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sorry I meant in addition, not an either or</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805795" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805795">(May 07 2020 at 17:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805818" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805818">(May 07 2020 at 17:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah, cool</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805879" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805879">(May 07 2020 at 17:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>it sounds like next steps are </p>
<ul>
<li>complete draft of reach out email (including definition of WG)</li>
<li>send to WG leads and whoever else is appropriate</li>
<li>continue fleshing out definition of WG</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805916" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805916">(May 07 2020 at 17:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll incorp info from this meeting and the thread and then share the link</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805925" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805925">(May 07 2020 at 17:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>Cutting the application process also does bring up how to communicate these changes, as we have had two applicant groups that have been sitting in limbo for awhile now.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196805968" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196805968">(May 07 2020 at 17:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>that should be a separate message</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806030" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806030">(May 07 2020 at 17:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also, is there a decision on those applicants?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806045" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806045">(May 07 2020 at 17:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>would be best to give answer on that before message</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806082" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806082">(May 07 2020 at 17:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>This came up in a core team meeting recently. I think the feeling there was that we're basically going to say that we're not going to create any domain working groups</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806090" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806090">(May 07 2020 at 17:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>because governance wg is pursuing the question</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806106" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806106">(May 07 2020 at 17:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>that works for me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806107" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806107">(May 07 2020 at 17:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>of what their role should be and so forth</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806149" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806149">(May 07 2020 at 17:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>it might in some sense be helpful to have a message or blog post to point to</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806175" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806175">(May 07 2020 at 17:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I guess our minutes and so forth suffice</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806217" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806217">(May 07 2020 at 17:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>We need at least a message to include in the applicant issues on the wg repo. Since those need to closed.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806295" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806295">(May 07 2020 at 17:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>Right.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806301" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806301">(May 07 2020 at 17:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806328" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806328">(May 07 2020 at 17:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>where else do we talk about the "application process"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806337" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806337">(May 07 2020 at 17:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>we would also want to update those docs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806362" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806362">(May 07 2020 at 17:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>hm maybe on forge</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806371" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806371">(May 07 2020 at 17:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>looking</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806384" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806384">(May 07 2020 at 17:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>(on azerty laptop so typing issues sorry)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806394" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806394">(May 07 2020 at 17:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would guess mainly on the wg-governance repo.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806554" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806554">(May 07 2020 at 17:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>The most detailed information about the process is <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="215333">@Florian Gilcher</span>'s original application thread on discourse.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806579" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806579">(May 07 2020 at 17:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think .. yes, I was going to say "internals"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806651" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806651">(May 07 2020 at 17:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>so an action item is to prepare an updated message for the two issues and perhaps for the internals thread</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806665" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806665">(May 07 2020 at 17:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806688" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806688">(May 07 2020 at 17:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>someone with more knowledge of the issues needs to write those responses I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806727" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806727">(May 07 2020 at 17:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>we're about out of time but I feel like it'd be useful to have a bit of a sketch of our current plan for this larger effort that we have posted somewhere -- kind of, this is the process, these are the questions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806808" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806808">(May 07 2020 at 17:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can try to write those reponses I guess</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806820" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806820">(May 07 2020 at 17:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>doesn't seem too hard :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806831" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806831">(May 07 2020 at 17:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>cool</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806833" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806833">(May 07 2020 at 17:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, I would also say I think those messages should come from a representative on the core team, to better communicate where the change comes from.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806839" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806839">(May 07 2020 at 17:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806880" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806880">(May 07 2020 at 17:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>the internals post I can try and send here for ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806891" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806891">(May 07 2020 at 17:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll include it in the doc with the email message</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806898" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806898">(May 07 2020 at 17:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>sound good?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806908" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806908">(May 07 2020 at 17:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems fine, though i'm not 100% sure which internals post you mean :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806933" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806933">(May 07 2020 at 17:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>I thought an internals post was needed?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196806952" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196806952">(May 07 2020 at 17:52)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07/near/196806651" title="#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07/near/196806651">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>so an action item is to prepare an updated message for the two issues and perhaps for the internals thread</p>
</blockquote>
<p>seeing this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807012" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807012">(May 07 2020 at 17:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think niko volunteered for both (thanks!)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807028" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807028">(May 07 2020 at 17:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah ok good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807037" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807037">(May 07 2020 at 17:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that's more authoritative, thus better</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807067" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807067">(May 07 2020 at 17:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, I did</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807116" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807116">(May 07 2020 at 17:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>Okay, we have a bit over 5 minutes left, is there anything else we should bring up before we close the meeting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807120" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807120">(May 07 2020 at 17:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>cool, I'll just deal with the email message and getting the blog post up (faster than last time, where I forgot to push the patch to the PR)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807422" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807422">(May 07 2020 at 17:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>btw so many thanks for the blog posts</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807426" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807426">(May 07 2020 at 17:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>Okay to reiterate the action items</p>
<ul>
<li>blog post</li>
<li>complete draft of reach out email (including definition of WG)</li>
<li>send to WG leads and whoever else is appropriate</li>
<li>continue fleshing out definition of WG</li>
<li>Announce domain wg application closure.</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807489" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807489">(May 07 2020 at 17:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>one thing I wanted to mention is that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807505" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807505">(May 07 2020 at 17:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>(not an action item!)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807541" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807541">(May 07 2020 at 17:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>if folks are interestd in the lang team proposal process we were discussing --</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807562" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807562">(May 07 2020 at 17:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>there is plan to talk about it in the next lang team design meeting, which I <em>think</em> is Monday =)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807604" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807604">(May 07 2020 at 17:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>though we've been talking about rescheduling so .. check the <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/lang-team/#meeting-calendar" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/lang-team/#meeting-calendar">calendar</a> I guess</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807756" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807756">(May 07 2020 at 17:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah I wanted to maybe talk about that more but we had a pretty good discussion on domain wgs.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807757" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> BatmanAoD (Kyle Strand) <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807757">(May 07 2020 at 17:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>The proposal process meaning this? <a href="https://hackmd.io/vtE1YgufTU-q_u-NOXqW8A?view" title="https://hackmd.io/vtE1YgufTU-q_u-NOXqW8A?view">https://hackmd.io/vtE1YgufTU-q_u-NOXqW8A?view</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807840" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807840">(May 07 2020 at 17:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>correct</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807857" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> BatmanAoD (Kyle Strand) <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807857">(May 07 2020 at 17:58)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="thumbs up" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="thumbs up">:thumbs_up:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807895" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807895">(May 07 2020 at 17:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>Okay, I'm going to call the meeting here. Thank you everyone for attending, and see you again next time. Stay safe!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting%202020-05-07/near/196807948" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/Meeting.202020-05-07.html#196807948">(May 07 2020 at 17:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>Thank you for leading, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span>!</p>



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